McKenna's Successor

topic posted Tue, February 26, 2008 - 8:50 AM by  offlineM_Glow
There isn't anybody out there in the psychedelic community that has really filled McKenna's shoes, but I thought it would be fun to try and name a few people that might be his successor.

Mark Pesce
A personal friend of TM. Virtual reality designer. Very influenced by TM and an excellent speaker and thinker.

Daniel Pinchbeck
Has written extensively about subjects McKenna covered.

And so forth.

Any thoughts?
posted by:
M_Glow
Dallas
  • Re: McKenna's Successor

    Tue, February 26, 2008 - 8:53 AM
    no one even comes close,
    yet.
    • Re: McKenna's Successor

      Fri, February 29, 2008 - 5:37 AM
      Search no further, brothers and sisters, for _I_ am he of which ye speak! [g].

      But seriosly... McKenna is now such as he described himself: living forever —for the attentive— in a form of pure thought and the energy transmuting it, eh? As McKenna has been made 'immortal' in fact, there is no need of a successor... he is still with us!

      Moreover, we are able to stand on these massive shoulders and transmute that energy, refine it —revisit it again and again for the art that was aspired to and that McKenna knew it was— thereby sailing even closer to the Concrescence than perhaps even Terence did, right?

      These _are_ the white knuckle times, where the walls of humanities birth canal squeeze down uncomfortably upon us, and are we not admonished if we are attentive to individually put the pedal down in a progressive manner even further for a "forward escape" to the eschaton? It's the function, I submit, of a "shoulder stander." Terence was a "shoulder stander," too. Whitehead -- Dick -- McLuhan -- Joyce... just a few!

      So, search no further Brothers and Sisters! WE are such of which of ye speak! [g].

      Thanks for the opportunity to contribute! I know what you meant, but this seems a look akimbo, if _not_ askance, eh?

      ¥

      • Re: McKenna's Successor

        Sun, May 11, 2008 - 10:57 PM
        aw, man, right on, RIGHT FREAKIN ON!!

        That was what was so cool about Terry. There could be no more 'successors' after him. No need for any, because most of us are live through the 2013 stargate anyway, so we don't need stories about it, we'll be THERE!

        Did you know the tumor that formed on his pineal gland was shaped like a mushroom? He said that in an interview I think.
        I'd like to see Mr. Pinchbeck top THAT!
  • Re: McKenna's Successor

    Tue, February 26, 2008 - 10:08 AM
    Pesce has tried and, instead reverted to cyber-commentary.

    Pinchbeck has tried, but he hasn't the eloquence or vision that approaches Terence's.

    Even Denis (Terence's brother) has offered some interesting, albeit more scholarly than bard-like, commentary on the role of plant medicines.

    Perhaps no one person has risen as an heir apparent to McKenna's visionary role, but perhaps no one person is necessary. For one thing, Terence's talks continue to inspire, provoke, and guide many people who are just now discovering his hours upon hours of talks and lectures around the internet. For another thing, perhaps a leader, visionary, or guide is not what is needed (anymore), but rather a concerted effort on the part of communities formed around the ideas and insights shared over a decade ago. Say something once, why say it again?

    No, the exciting work these days, to my mind, has been in the slow but methodical revivification of scientific and clinical scrutiny of these plant medicines. Individuals like Rick Strassman, Charles Grob, Alexander Shulgin, Stanislav Grof, Rick Doblin, and others work to rebuild a rightful acceptance and respect for these chemicals and substances which, many believe, may be the catalyst for the collective raising of consciousness this planet so desperately needs.
    • Re: McKenna's Successor

      Tue, February 26, 2008 - 8:14 PM
      I think you shoulld check out the work bieng done by MARK COMINGS regarding 'space. it is going to be VERY exciting when Rick Strassman and Mark Comings share discoverys, because they are linked.
      www.youtube.com/watch

      Also, graham hancock is doing a GREAT job at pointing towards poiting at NEED TO KNOW aspects of the Life.
      www.youtube.com/watch

      I think T Mckenna was great, and the message he exposed is getting LOUDER in the many new voices that are growing
      • Re: McKenna's Successor

        Sat, June 14, 2008 - 8:52 PM
        That is cool Mark Commings did all the Physics for Dr JOse ARguelles to back his discoveries, I was just seeing a psychoanalyst at UNM, and afer 15 minutes of him talking to me said i was perfectly sane, more sane than most he works with, our talk ventured forth about the book PHIKAL on his shelf 'a CHEMICAL LOVE STORY/' WELL, where Dr Rick Strassman did his research for DMT the spirit MOlecule was at UNM, the whole thing was kinda weird. As we talked about how Phikal's can help people with opiate addiction., and how the DMT trip is really the OBE , or near death expiranece. LOL

        well I nominate Dr BLue of 3sidedwhole, he channels Terance all the time:)
  • Re: McKenna's Successor

    Wed, February 27, 2008 - 10:41 AM
    I've thought of this a lot - his torch sits on the ground still burning, waiting for someone to take it up
    • Re: McKenna's Successor

      Wed, February 27, 2008 - 12:03 PM
      we're holding candles lit from this torch.
      • Re: McKenna's Successor

        Wed, February 27, 2008 - 6:04 PM
        "we're holding candles lit from this torch."

        perfect - you have a way with words, ik! We are all his successors!
        • Re: McKenna's Successor

          Wed, February 27, 2008 - 6:09 PM
          little by little.
          thanks D, so do you.
          I love these tribes
          I love speaking with all of you about the things we love. (AND HATE) ;]
          • Re: McKenna's Successor

            Thu, February 28, 2008 - 9:50 AM
            you guys will like this guy. his name is Rafaelo Aisner, good vibes, great energy.
            positive outlook, breaks into the angel vibe.

            here's the page link for matrixmasters.

            www.matrixmasters.com/pn/BM-t...004.html

            heres the link to the actual talk at BM 2004

            "Cracking the Code, Picking the Lock, and Removing the Door to the Vault of Heaven"
            pn.matrixmasters.com/mp3/ais...code.mp3
            • Re: McKenna's Successor

              Fri, February 29, 2008 - 10:43 AM
              I listened those Rafaeo Aisner recordings, your right, I did enjoy them. He has a good outlook (and in-look) in regards to sensitivitys in health/body. Tho, I dont think his over all vision resonates with me. Like mckenna, he seemed very judgmental toward fellow man, this might stem from what he himself talked about, a bad family (dad) relationship when younger.

              But I dont know him and have only heard these recordings. Myself, i prefer a more radical veiw of what is going on around us, sure heaven is here, but thats not the whole story. Good work, good public speaker.
              • Re: McKenna's Successor

                Fri, February 29, 2008 - 3:09 PM
                maybe Terence was judgemental about his fellow man because his fellow man deserved it not because of his relationship with his dad?
                • Re: McKenna's Successor

                  Fri, February 29, 2008 - 3:41 PM
                  <Like mckenna, he seemed very judgmental toward fellow man, this might stem from what he himself talked about, a bad family (dad) relationship when younger.>

                  Where do you get this from? That is, in which lecture does Terence discuss his relationship with his dad?
              • Re: McKenna's Successor

                Sun, March 2, 2008 - 8:43 AM
                Friends,

                "Like mckenna, he seemed very judgmental toward fellow man..."

                There's a big difference between "judgmental" and "discerning", "perceptive" and "insightful".

                Veg
  • Re: McKenna's Successor

    Fri, February 29, 2008 - 3:08 PM
    look's like Hillary's gonna have some time on her hands, maybe she can take up the torch? Wouldn't that be weird as hell, pull a link to a site where where Hillary's lecturing an assembled group in the benefits of entheogens?
    • Re: McKenna's Successor

      Fri, February 29, 2008 - 3:43 PM
      <Wouldn't that be weird as hell, pull a link to a site where where Hillary's lecturing an assembled group in the benefits of entheogens?>

      That would be wild! And with digital editing advancing as it is, I can see a clip like this becoming possible!

      And damaging as hell to her political reputation! <snicker>
  • Re: McKenna's Successor

    Sun, April 27, 2008 - 11:35 PM
    Yeah, interesting thing to bring up. In a sense, Terence provided a nice contrast to the stadium filling, cast your cares to the wind and drop acid leary. His style was definitely more gentle, and wide ranging, although both provided a nice new vocabulary of ideas. As I was listening to a terence lecture, he mentions, about his talks, that they are a statement on the state of the union, yes, I thought, in a way, he was the psychedelic president, he was a leader of a cultural group, and one that I could get behind, or at least one that I'm very willing to pay attention to. And I have been thinking about who is there to fill his grandiose shoes. Who could? One thing about psychedelics is that they create such unique characters, he was so unique that I don't think anyone could succeed him in his own manner, but one who sort of explains, guides, directs,
    a psychedelic mentality, and provides incisive cultural commentary, I think could achieve this in many different ways. When I met Daniel Pinchbeck in Durham, I mentioned to him that I thought it was interesting that he considered himself to be sort of taking the place of terence mckenna, the psychedelic spokesperson, or the alien ambassador or whatever. Although I like daniel, and I like his book, and I feel that he's representative of a more contemporary culture than terence in a way, and younger that mark pesce also, I don't think he could hold a candle to terence's mental glow. I'm not saying he's dim at all, it's just that terence was and is one of the few people who I can say, I am really interested in. He really impressed me. And he still does. He's one of the very few that I feel like I could learn from them. I don't really feel that way about Daniel, although he is somewhat interesting and I'm glad he's doing what he's doing. Yes terence was truly exceptional.
    Was it all the mushrooms and dmt? I wonder. Mark Pesce has said some interesting things and is also very intelligent, but I don't feel his character has reached the unfoldment that terence did, whatever that means. One meme I take from Mark Pesce is the concept of moving into the future with a guarded optimism, and the mimicry of biological systems in preparation for a nanotech world. It's funny how Dennis Mckenna makes a big point that he's not his brother, and he sure isn't. He said terence could read the phonebook and people would be interested, but he's someone different. I don't know. Even terence said, that there's got to be people out there who can describe this stuff as well or better than he but they sure don't show up. I agree, I think there are people out there on his level of description and intellect, but they may not come out for whatever reason. Daniel Pinchbeck and Mark Pesce aren't bad. I'd like to at least try to do what terence did, in terms of simply facilitating dialogue on the significance of psychedelic experiences with my friends, and I think about the socratic method of learning through dialogue that he talked about and practiced. Oh well, at least I can listen to him on my ipod whenever I want.
    • Re: McKenna's Successor

      Mon, April 28, 2008 - 12:00 AM
      Terence
      I could listen to him rap for hours.
      I dont find that with Daniel P.
      When I hear Terence, I hear my own experiences for the most part.
      When I listen to Daniel, I find his attitude clouds the connection,
      Watching Terence, I can hear an under-current of condensention sometimes,
      While watching Daniel, he seems more friendly

      Both have helped me termendously
      • Re: McKenna's Successor

        Mon, April 28, 2008 - 7:41 PM
        Dennis was and is the one. Most of what Terrence spoke about was from a very few experiences with psychotropics, then he extrapolated. Dennis was the one hanging from the church bell stepel in "La Chorea", it was Terrence that was watching over him.
        He's a scientist so of course he speaks that language, but if you were to come to Iquitos and hear him speak spontaneously about whatever you ask him, you'll see quite readily that he was and is the inspriation.
        • Re: McKenna's Successor

          Mon, April 28, 2008 - 9:42 PM
          I like that. I met Dennis in Asheville and enjoyed hearing him speak and talking with him a bit. Both times he said that he wasn't his brother, I think, but you've made me reconsider with your post. It is true...he climbed the worldtree, with an awareness of what he was doing. He smashed everyone's watch and flung off his glasses, you're right, I think he may be...Another thing I like about Dennis is that he's willing to communicate, he answered my email fully to which I was really grateful. Well, it must be interesting to be with him in peru, and thanks
    • Re: McKenna's Successor

      Tue, April 29, 2008 - 4:52 AM
      Stephen-

      I hope Pinchbeck doesn't seriously believe he's a successor to Terence. If so, it seems he's suffering from a deep delusion of grandeur. The two don't even seem to be inhabiting the same universe. While Terence shows up as a white hot light, verging, at times, on being a upernova, Pinchbeck could barely manage to be a Bick lighter in a dark closet.

      Despite his current "fifteen minutes", I find Pinchbeck boring, annoying and overly fascinated with himself. He seems to feel that every word he says is remarkably important, though I find nothing to suggest he's correct.

      It's clear when you listen to them speak, Terence has been places Pinchbeck couldn't conceive of on his best of days.

      Veg
      • Re: McKenna's Successor

        Fri, May 2, 2008 - 10:04 PM
        >> While Terence shows up as a white hot light, verging, at times, on being a upernova, Pinchbeck could barely manage to be a Bick lighter in a dark closet. <<

        LOL! Great metaphor! This made me smile...
  • Re: McKenna's Successor

    Fri, June 13, 2008 - 10:51 PM
    Erik Davis aka Elf was a close friend of TM's, recorded the last interview with him, is an excellent speaker and to top it off, check out this synchronistic photo taken of him lecturing at Burning Man 2003 where he is in the exact same pose as the photo of TM on the platform that he's lecturing from!
    harlanemil.com/bman2003/elf.html
  • Re: McKenna's Successor

    Sat, June 14, 2008 - 6:20 AM
    I thought it was sort-of misguided for Terrence to have been called Leary's successor by some....
    so I think it would be equally innaccurate to label someone else as such to Terrence.

    Dennis is his own incredible person and although I wish I heard more references to Dennis and
    "the McKenna Brothers" - It is my understanding (I think i read it somewhere, but no source)
    that Dennis' much lower-profile life was completely his own decision and that they each agreed that
    the other WAS the best suited for the type of endeavors they were each involved in.

    Im glad that since the 60's, the number of people available to expound upon these things has exploded.

    no one could ever replace Leary, Terrence, or Dennis...
    and I think Dennis is his own right should be recognized for the unique pioneer he is BEFORE we no longer have him.

    • Re: McKenna's Successor

      Sat, June 14, 2008 - 8:57 PM
      just listen to Alien Dreamtime ,,,,,,hit me up, Ill send u a copy, every human needs to hear this, and if i can send it to just one person.....it would be like taking one of those little fabrage eggs and bringing back it back to the now,.....lol

      because this is a true gem of music, and terrance...........in one. "This is the real thing people , this isnt a dress rehearsal "
      G
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      youR

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      And do something, positive, like support KUchinich and tell your senators FUCK YEA IMPEACH BUSH

      thank you.

      there is still time before 2012.......how do you want it to end?

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